Bev Harris (Black Box Voting) is on Democracy Now today! Watch/listen:

http://democracynow.org/streampage.pl

Your pitiful loser candidate already gave up. The quitter you supported used the last bit of his morality to admit he lost. You should do the same. You act as though you have more information than he does. He made a decision to admit defeat despite the cries of his liberal base with all their “Voter Fraud” crap.

Why don't you follow your leader. The best your party had to offer...lol

This isn't about John Kerry. He can do what he wants. This is about American democracy. If a democrat committed a crime and stole an election I would be as outraged. I would hope all Americans would want only legitimate elections. This is the USA for crying out loud! We are supposed to have the most advanced democracy on the planet. I don't care which candidate you voted for, don't you want your vote to actually be counted?

A Call for E-mails to Kerry's Brother:

I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people
wondering why KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio, before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.
There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it was taken from him.
There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the results. It's coming from all corners.
I understand that he has until the official count
certification in Ohio to Un Concede which is several days from now.
Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why - whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at his law firm at the address CKerry@Mintz.com They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)
If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign. They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they could vote on Wednesday.
If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that exceeds
the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.
If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in terms of the ultimate count.

This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am taking it up in other venues.
Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.

Cynthia L. Butler

BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036

We have the POWER to take our country BACK!

This is so cool. It's like the Democratic Party are lemmings, eagerly going over the cliff of paranoia.

Thank you for your efforts Deneen.

CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS IN OHIO!!!

They might have conceded - but we haven't conceded our right to have our votes
count.

The Ohio Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections (CASE-OH), Ohio Election Reform
Now, Common Cause Ohio, This Time We're Watching, Driving Votes, and the
Columbus League of Pissed Off Voters are calling for public hearings to
investigate voting irregularities and voter suppression in Ohio surrounding the
2004 General Election.

THIS IS A STATEWIDE CALL TO ACTION. VOTERS AND POLL WORKERS FROM AROUND THE
STATE ARE INVITED TO TESTIFY.

Saturday November 13, 1-4 PM
New Faith Baptist Church
955 Oak Street
Columbus, Ohio 43205

There will be a second hearing session in Columbus:
Monday November 15, 6-9 PM, Location TBA.

Citizens, voting experts, and investigative journalists will be invited
to present testimony for the pubic record documenting instances of voting
irregularities and systematic voter suppression. The coalition hopes to expose
the systemic undermining of our democratic process that occurred leading up to
and on Nov 2, and assess how to respond to racial disenfranchisement and
suppression of democratic rights.

The local coalition currently has the support of:

* Ohio Senator Teresa Fedor
* freelance journalist Lynn Landes
* Professor Robert Fitrakis (Free Press)
* Columbus Community Leader Bill Moss

We are seeking support from US Congressional Representatives, Ohio State
Representatives, nonpartisan organizations, and community and national
leaders. Experts and investigative reporters are invited to present testimony as
well.

To get involved, sponsor this call, or testify on Saturday, contact:

Amy Kaplan and Jonathan Meier
Columbus League of Pissed Off Voters
Cell 248-943-2335
Home 614-405-2160
amy@indyvoter.org

This is Bev Harris' own post at Democratic Underground, asking for everyone's help, and specific things we can do!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2636130

I don't think you guys are going to ever get over this. Apparently there are a few figures you don't understand :
1. More people voted in this election than ever before
2. Bush got more votes than any other president ever
3. 3.5 million votes IS a majority (unlike last time).

Here's some advice for ya'll - it is widely believed that us whacko right-wingers came out in record numbers because of YOUR annoying, leftist bush-bashing over the past years. If you don't admit defeat, we'll do it again.

I am very excited to hear an actual CONFIRMED case of racial intimidation, so far I've only heard speculation from a page in the Dems "How to win the Colorado vote" handbook.

It's easy to get more votes than any other president ever if the machines are rigged! If you can explain why the discrepency between the exit poles and the counted votes only happened in battle ground states and only erred in one direction go for it. Otherwise you are missing the whole point.

This guy has made room on his front page for FRAUD 2004:

On November 2, 2004, America officially ceased being a democracy. On that day, the legitimate, elected President of the United States, John Kerry, was denied office by a massive, systematic election fraud perpetrated by the Republican Party and the George W. Bush campaign.

This is a fact, not a nutcase conspiracy theory. Here are some links to articles proving various aspects of the fraud perpetrated on the American people.

http://www.iraqtimeline.com/

A small shred of good news:

Nader requests N.H. vote recount

links: http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=46674

http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041106/NEWS02/111060040/-1/news

I know, I know, the $. How about the cash that everyone sent to the DNC for all of the post-election court battles?

Thanks, Deneen.
Some of the stories are interesting, though I don't see how mst of them indicate voter suppression. For example, not being a resident in a county you register to vote in should be challenged. Otherwise, students could vote once Ohio State, then come home and vote again at their parent's county. Democrats were equally guilty of similar things ( threatening to SUE if a pollster tried to check their id, for example).

The story that does seem suspicious is the Democratic counties in Florida that voted for Bush. Suspicious, indeed. I saw one article saying the FBI was investigating? Hopefully we'll find out what happened. That's why we need paper trails (which I also firmly believe in).

I'm just saying this : yes, every vote should be counted. But, I'm not sure every one of these stories indicates the rise of fascism.

Look at these numbers!

http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/index.html

Go to Cuyahoga County Page (left) - there are 33 precincts in that county alone that have 90% or higher voter turn out! As high as 1160.78%! That is impossible! All sources are listed on that page - used actual data from the county. You can do the math yourself!

bushwon, your very name indicates that YOU do not get it. Bush did NOT win, once again he STOLE the election, and THIS time, it was widespread.

Start here -- http://www.tomflocco.com/, READ, and think long and hard about what we're saying. Step OUTSIDE of your republican box, become just an American for a change, and consider hard what the implications of all the evidence is.

If you do not understand what has really happened here, then you, too, have been suckered. What happens if those who control these machines decide next time around that they want a GOP lite democrat in office? Is losing your own vote what it would take before you would take a stand for protecting voters rights?

I don't think ANYONE'S vote should be stolen. I think even YOUR vote should be safe. THAT is what democracy is about, THAT is what we're fighting for. When are you and other republicans going to get it? If OUR vote is stolen, YOURS CAN BE, TOO, whenever it suits them to do so.

The evidence is still pouring in, but what the heck good is it going to do if those who stole the elections slam the door shut on investigating it, and if people like you don't take a stand for EVERYONE'S right to cast their vote and have it counted. IF you do not support that right, then you have bought into the lie that winning at any cost, including criminally, is acceptable.

And that is immoral. I thought republicans were for morallity?????

Take the statements of bushwon, slimey, and tumor for what they are worth: absolutely nothing.

They think that we are incredibly important, powerful, and influential. So, they come here to disrupt our community and waste our time responding to them. On the rare occasion that one of them says anything that sounds reasonable it is either accidental or they are parroting something they heard a liberal say. In either case they have no understanding of what they said.

So, don't engage them. You only inflate their egos and lead them to falsely believe they are intelligent. This is cruel. It is far better to ignore them so that they will slither back into the sewer from whence they came. It's warm in the sewer and there's not much opportunity for them to any damage down there. And, the biggest contribution they can make to our planet is to be a crocodile meal so that the crocs won't want to come up out of the sewer and eat a human baby.

It's funny, every time one of their posts show up on my screen I suddenly have the urge to check the bottom of my shoe.

....and the oder....eewwwwiii !

You don't like the river that flows from northeast Czech Republic through Poland and Germany to the Baltic Sea?

okay Mr. dictionary.com. Two points for you. Now go away.

I just wanted you to try to take your insults beyond the first grade level.

JayHawk, do you smell something in here? It's gagging me!

Important? Powerful? Influential? Oh, no.

Deluded, humorous (unintentionally) somewhat damaging to the Democratic Party. Oh yes.

Ummmm, Crocodiles are not indigenous to the United States. Did you mean Alligator meal?

http://voterfraud2004.tripod.com/

A petition:

http://69.9.171.129/e-fraud.html

MY review mimiheart of web site posting. I looked at the 100% voting turnout and compared to some 2000 results. This what I read from it all.

The web site http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html
highlights precincts with greater than 90% turnout and some with greater than 100%. Which in it self is remarkable.
What is additionally remarkable is all these precincts are suburbs of Cleveland. Cleveland itself did not have any such turnout.
Making the assumption that suburbs of cities often vote More Republican than the city itself, this smells fishy to me. Up to 10 of these suburbs voted for Bush/Cheney in 2000. Although perhaps more of the suburbs voted for Gore in 2000 (rough count 16 but often much closer results than Cleveland).
Cuyohoga County is one of the more Democratic counites in the state of Ohio.

with the assumption of accuracy of the referrenced Ohio web page
an example of why this does not look right
suburbs of
Brooklyn Heights has 1144 registered voters. 1869 votes were cast.(>100%) A local village ordance (issue 12) for Brooklyn Heights had 708 yes and 147 no votes. A total of 895 votes. half the people of the town who otherwise voted, did not vote on this issue? or the real turn out is actually approximately 75%. High turn out but not implossible. not greater than 100%

Better example: Brook Park 14491 voters 14458 votes cast. (issue 14) local issue 6061 yes and 2739 no votes, total of 8800 votes. A big drop from total votes cast. Only about 60% of the local people who voted, voted on this local issue or is the real turnout about 60%?
I recognize that local issue usually wont get the same number of votes as national election but..... this smells.
In the year 2000 Brook Park had 8301 votes. On a local issue in that year, 8118 people voted on it or about 98%.

In 2000 Rocky River had 9650 voters with 5428 voted Bush and 3674 voted Gore. In 2004, 20,070 people voted out of 16,600 registered?

Also in this county where Dennis Kuchnich is from (60% of vote) and Kerry recieved greater than 66% of the vote, Republican Senator Voinovich carried it with 52.5% of the vote. Is he that popular with Democrats too? in 2002 a Republican senator also carried the county?
The county produces three Democrat Congress members and one mildly Republican rep that has a small eastern suburban portion of Cuyhoga.

Combining all the congressional races districts 10, 11, 13 and 14 votes for Republicans there is not more 150,000 votes for Republicans in Cuyohaga county but Bush got 215,000 in 2004?
Bush Cheny had 190,000 in 2000.

Reference Reuslts in 2000. http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/h..._GE_Summary.pdf
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history.htm

Finally, MSNBC is covering the story!! Here is a tidbit form Keith Olbermann's blog the day after his story aired. We should all e-mail him in support!

"...one way bloggers can help guide the mainstream at times like this: source your stuff like crazy, and the stuffier the source the better.


Thanks for your support.

Keep them coming... Email me at KOlbermann@msnbc.com "

Keith Olbermann's coverage on MSNBC can been seen here without your having to purchase a boob tube.

Thanks JayHawK. It can be frustrating sometimes. I appreciate the help.

good going lads ! I'm proud of you all. No joke.

HEY!!! This is what we need in Ohio!!

Glitch could force NC to vote again

(NC) More than 4,500 votes irretrievably lost in coastal Carteret County could trigger a new statewide election if the official margin of victory in two Council of State races is close enough, state election officials said Monday. The problem, which one expert called one of the worst election glitches nationwide, occurred on a machine that wasn't set correctly. ...The maker of Carteret's push-button voting machines, UniLect Corp., acknowledges it told county officials the machines would hold more than 10,000 votes. The machines actually held 3,005 because the computer software had not been updated.